A long time ago, the Seven used to stay in regular contact. I've met him and the others, but... I have no memory of that time. [she mentally gazes at the glitchy text on her profile.] I was hoping I might be able to meet with them again, but...
In the traditional sense... I'm not sure about that.
[it sure is some magic bs.]
...but, of all the archons it could have happened to, it's probably best that it was me. I have a connection with Irminsul, which records the memories of the entire world of Teyvat, so... I can sift through all of that information to figure out what happened in the past more easily than the other archons could.
I see... [ that's fascinating - the concept of the memories of the entire world, just kept in one place. his little psychology nerd heart loves it. and, it touches on a particularly special interest of his, too. ]
I'd looked through it a few times already, but... it's thousands of years worth of the world's memories. It's a lot of information to be going through.
[she smiles.]
...luckily, I can use the world's written history as a reference point. They don't always get the details right, but when I hear tales about the deeds I performed in the past, it gives me a place to start looking in Irminsul.
[ that feeling is genuine - though it is lightly muted, it's a bubbling curiosity. it takes a moment for him to digest it, but, eventually... ]
... Memory is an area I've always been particularly interested in, especially lost memories and the process of trying to get them back. It's almost hard to imagine the idea of having too much information in a case like that - the magic of, well, magic.
[ nahida truly stumbled on one of his special interests here, so. fei du makes a thoughtful noise, tilting his head back and forth. ] It depends. Most of the time, if someone's lost memories, it's because of two factors. The first is through a traumatic brain injury. Damage around the temporal lobe, if it's severe enough, can cause either anterograde or retrograde amnesia. Sometimes patients recover, and sometimes they don't, but, that's honestly not my area of expertise.
[ medical knowledge... who cares.... ]
Rather, I've always been interested in traumatic memory loss. The brain is an incredible organ, and it does its best to protect itself. When an experience is particularly traumatizing, enough that it overwhelms your internalized coping mechanisms, the body looks for a way to process the trauma, and sometimes it decides that you shouldn't relive it for your own safety. This can lead to forgetting a single event to forgetting parts, to forgetting entire years of your life, depending on how bad it is, because the brain will quite literally build a new neural pathway around the event itself in your memories. Dissociative amnesia is a direct side effect of post-traumatic stress disorder, too.
In terms of recovery; sometimes, therapy helps. Sometimes, reenacting the circumstances that led to the traumatic event will cause you to remember, but there's no real guarantee.
[this time, it's her turn to listen with interest; she's quiet as she explains, watching his face, and her fascination with the topic doesn't waver even once. rather, it only grows - her curiosity is ever-expanding.
the more she hears, the more she wants to learn.]
I see... that makes a lot of sense. Sort of a small and subtle adjustment so that the brain can adjust to properly processing the trauma, instead of sidestepping it...
[she thinks about it for a few moments longer, then nods.]
I can't say I've worked with memory loss in the same way, exactly, but there have been times where it's been necessary not to share too much information with someone at once lest it overwhelm their brain's ability to process the reality around them. Or, rather - their brain's ability to distinguish between what is real and what is not. But laying small clues and hints and allowing their brain to slowly acclimate itself to the idea of it did work to help them accept the situation they were in. Would it be something like that?
[ there's a note of approval to his emotions, as faded as it is. ]
Yes, exactly like that. [ very good. ] Sometimes, the person remembers over time, slowly but surely - images might come back in dreams, but there's no controlling that. The only way to really control it is through those small clues and hints, though there's no guarantee it'll really work.
Well... I would assume it has to do with looking at aspects of a crime, and comparing the sorts of physical or personality traits that you would expect to be responsible for them... and then compiling that information to give you some idea of what to look for?
[ not that that's surprising nahida is so smart! there's a thin note of approval but it may only be thin because fei du's emotions feel like they come from another room sometimes. ]
When we take into account personality traits, we also take into account what their past or their lives might have been like to inform their behaviors. For example, recently, we ran into a rash of murders of young girls in flower print dresses. It turned out that the murders were being commited by a young girl herself, the daughter of a woman who may have done exactly the same thirty years before hand. The police apprehended her just during a violent episode in which she caught another girl.
But, I suggested she couldn't do it without an accomplice, and the accomplice had to be someone who might have been in love with her, or at least had a deep connection to her mother, because each kill was done not only to the orders of the young daughter to a T, but they mirrored the kills of the mother beforehand perfectly, enough that people thought it was the same killer from thirty years before. Almost as if the person who arranged the scenes adored the killer, or was trying to copycat her.
From that, we were able to collar her next door neighbor, who had grown up with the mother and had been in love with her his entire life. He started to reflect those feelings, unfortunately, onto the young daughter, and thus began to act for her the way he couldn't act for the murderous mother who had died beforehand.
That man is now in jail, and the young daughter was taken to a mental facility to receive therapy and treatment.
[it's a gruesome tale, but a fascinating one; nahida is well aware of the sorts of atrocities that humans can commit, and though it's hurt her to witness them here, hearing about it is...
well, not fine. but there's not really any sort of distressed dip in her feelings like one might have expected, given her emotional reactions to the deaths they've experienced here so far. there's sympathy for the victims and for the daughter who is receiving treatment, and a bit of "oh, good" vibes when she hears that the neighbor was caught, along with the sort of fascination one might have when reading about or hearing about a particularly interesting case in school.
academic curiosity, maybe.]
I see... applied properly, profiling seems like it would be an extremely useful tool, then.
[ yeah! it was pretty awful! the case named humbert humbert!
it's more or less how fei du looks at the cases, too. like research. academic curiosity, with a sense of sympathy and relief for the capture of the killers. for the safety of the young girl chenchen, too, for many reasons. ]
Exactly. Profiling and criminal psychology are relatively new fields, and I only just started studying them officially myself, but now that profiling evidence is admissible in court, the postgraduate program I'm attending is working on research projects like this in close tandem with the police bureau. I'm there a few days a week now.
[ bothering luo wenzhou and also working. ] But, it's been an interest of mine for some time. It's not infallible, and here, I feel like I'm still learning the ropes, but I hope it will continue to be of use.
I think the way people behave is just as important as physical evidence in cases like like these. Especially when all of us are in close quarters with each other like this, there's a wealth of information to gather by observation. That you've been taught how to process it all and apply it will be incredibly helpful.
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A long time ago, the Seven used to stay in regular contact. I've met him and the others, but... I have no memory of that time. [she mentally gazes at the glitchy text on her profile.] I was hoping I might be able to meet with them again, but...
[she kinda died and ended up here.]
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...I see.
[ fei du's brows knit together as he considers that. ] Do you think there's any way to recover those memories in the traditional sense, or...?
[ or is this some magic bs ]
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[it sure is some magic bs.]
...but, of all the archons it could have happened to, it's probably best that it was me. I have a connection with Irminsul, which records the memories of the entire world of Teyvat, so... I can sift through all of that information to figure out what happened in the past more easily than the other archons could.
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I see... [ that's fascinating - the concept of the memories of the entire world, just kept in one place. his little psychology nerd heart loves it. and, it touches on a particularly special interest of his, too. ]
Were you planning on doing so before all of this?
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[she smiles.]
...luckily, I can use the world's written history as a reference point. They don't always get the details right, but when I hear tales about the deeds I performed in the past, it gives me a place to start looking in Irminsul.
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Fascinating.
[ that feeling is genuine - though it is lightly muted, it's a bubbling curiosity. it takes a moment for him to digest it, but, eventually... ]
... Memory is an area I've always been particularly interested in, especially lost memories and the process of trying to get them back. It's almost hard to imagine the idea of having too much information in a case like that - the magic of, well, magic.
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...how would the process of recovering memories work in your world, Fei Du?
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[ medical knowledge... who cares.... ]
Rather, I've always been interested in traumatic memory loss. The brain is an incredible organ, and it does its best to protect itself. When an experience is particularly traumatizing, enough that it overwhelms your internalized coping mechanisms, the body looks for a way to process the trauma, and sometimes it decides that you shouldn't relive it for your own safety. This can lead to forgetting a single event to forgetting parts, to forgetting entire years of your life, depending on how bad it is, because the brain will quite literally build a new neural pathway around the event itself in your memories. Dissociative amnesia is a direct side effect of post-traumatic stress disorder, too.
In terms of recovery; sometimes, therapy helps. Sometimes, reenacting the circumstances that led to the traumatic event will cause you to remember, but there's no real guarantee.
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the more she hears, the more she wants to learn.]
I see... that makes a lot of sense. Sort of a small and subtle adjustment so that the brain can adjust to properly processing the trauma, instead of sidestepping it...
[she thinks about it for a few moments longer, then nods.]
I can't say I've worked with memory loss in the same way, exactly, but there have been times where it's been necessary not to share too much information with someone at once lest it overwhelm their brain's ability to process the reality around them. Or, rather - their brain's ability to distinguish between what is real and what is not. But laying small clues and hints and allowing their brain to slowly acclimate itself to the idea of it did work to help them accept the situation they were in. Would it be something like that?
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Yes, exactly like that. [ very good. ] Sometimes, the person remembers over time, slowly but surely - images might come back in dreams, but there's no controlling that. The only way to really control it is through those small clues and hints, though there's no guarantee it'll really work.
[ he says this calmly. clinically. ]
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...would it be prying too much to ask what sparked your interest in the topic, Fei Du?
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Just a passing interest. [ that's all. ] One of many, when it comes to psychology for me,
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curiosity wars with the desire to not be callous, and decency wins out, so she doesn't force the issue. instead, she nods.]
What other parts of psychology have caught your interest?
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as for the other parts! he easily moves along with the subject change, propping his chin in his hand. ]
Well. My post graduate work is in criminal psychology and profiling, so particularly that.
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[ curiosity on his end, too, and interest! nerd to nerd conversation. ]
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[ not that that's surprising nahida is so smart! there's a thin note of approval but it may only be thin because fei du's emotions feel like they come from another room sometimes. ]
When we take into account personality traits, we also take into account what their past or their lives might have been like to inform their behaviors. For example, recently, we ran into a rash of murders of young girls in flower print dresses. It turned out that the murders were being commited by a young girl herself, the daughter of a woman who may have done exactly the same thirty years before hand. The police apprehended her just during a violent episode in which she caught another girl.
But, I suggested she couldn't do it without an accomplice, and the accomplice had to be someone who might have been in love with her, or at least had a deep connection to her mother, because each kill was done not only to the orders of the young daughter to a T, but they mirrored the kills of the mother beforehand perfectly, enough that people thought it was the same killer from thirty years before. Almost as if the person who arranged the scenes adored the killer, or was trying to copycat her.
From that, we were able to collar her next door neighbor, who had grown up with the mother and had been in love with her his entire life. He started to reflect those feelings, unfortunately, onto the young daughter, and thus began to act for her the way he couldn't act for the murderous mother who had died beforehand.
That man is now in jail, and the young daughter was taken to a mental facility to receive therapy and treatment.
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well, not fine. but there's not really any sort of distressed dip in her feelings like one might have expected, given her emotional reactions to the deaths they've experienced here so far. there's sympathy for the victims and for the daughter who is receiving treatment, and a bit of "oh, good" vibes when she hears that the neighbor was caught, along with the sort of fascination one might have when reading about or hearing about a particularly interesting case in school.
academic curiosity, maybe.]
I see... applied properly, profiling seems like it would be an extremely useful tool, then.
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it's more or less how fei du looks at the cases, too. like research. academic curiosity, with a sense of sympathy and relief for the capture of the killers. for the safety of the young girl chenchen, too, for many reasons. ]
Exactly. Profiling and criminal psychology are relatively new fields, and I only just started studying them officially myself, but now that profiling evidence is admissible in court, the postgraduate program I'm attending is working on research projects like this in close tandem with the police bureau. I'm there a few days a week now.
[ bothering luo wenzhou and also working. ] But, it's been an interest of mine for some time. It's not infallible, and here, I feel like I'm still learning the ropes, but I hope it will continue to be of use.
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[she smiles at him.]
I think the way people behave is just as important as physical evidence in cases like like these. Especially when all of us are in close quarters with each other like this, there's a wealth of information to gather by observation. That you've been taught how to process it all and apply it will be incredibly helpful.