He said that he's been talking over his options with them, but that they haven't really come to a decision yet... so, he did ask me not to talk to the other two for now.
[she frowns a little bit at that; it doesn't sit right with her, but yuneyuze needs to handle their own affairs - maybe they just need time. oocly they might be in the middle of a thread or something.]
He said he didn't know quite how he felt about the idea of the other teams that he knew might have a shot at being in the lead... but that he did trust the three of us. And that he felt like if it had to be one team that wins, people would be safe if we were the ones trying to help them. [her brows furrow, and her ears droop.] He also said that... while his team does have a shot because of what happened our very first week here, he's not sure they would make it even if they tried to, because they have "a pretty big disadvantage".
So he said... if a team did have to earn enough points to do something, it didn't have to be his. But if it wasn't his, he would do what he could to lend a hand so that team could catch up.
His leg. [ TEEJ. ] He probably thinks he’s an easy target now, and that even if they did try to come out on top he can’t help them in the way he could before. At least, that’s what I’d assume.
… If they figure it out amongst themselves, then fine. If they’re willing to talk it out, then I’ll listen. [ contrary to popular believe he’s not actually like. fond of killing. his circumstances are pretty specific, after all. but— ]
I couldn't tell him, "No, we'll never do that"... because, umm, at this point... it would probably be unwise. I hate to admit it, but pacifism isn't going to help us here. It would actually do more harm.
[so. there's that. she doesn't like causing harm to living beings, but - if inaction would cause more harm, potentially, then what choice does she have?]
...I got the feeling that, even if his team didn't want to get involved directly, he still would. It might be as simple as asking him to make something with his Psych early, and storing it. I... could probably hide poison in my lamp for a few days. No one has ever checked the inside of it during the trial. I'd be a little worried about using that, though, since Gerard is the other person who has it, and his team is in the lead right now...
[...]
I know he will. And I don't want to lose his faith in me, but... I can bear his disappointment as long as it means he makes it home safely. [she shakes her head slowly] ...I think that, unless the situation changes drastically, helping Froggystyle might be our best course of action. If any of them has to do it again, for the points... I was thinking I would offer to help. Even if it's just to heal them afterwards.
But I also worry about what might happen if we put all those eggs in one basket, and if someone targets them... what happens to the points they've earned then, and the lives that were lost to earn them? If the person in the next closest place doesn't have nearly enough to help everyone...?
Yeah. The more we’re hearing, and with these messages going through like this— I don’t think we can sit back. And we need to stop sitting back soon, because more and more people are going to come to the same conclusion. [ god i hope i’m dead this week ]
Remember there’s another angle now — that psych change app. If it doesn’t change what your psych is on the profiles, then suspicion can be cast out with a wider net again or whoever changed their psych will be forced to show their hand. People are already thinking we can’t just rely on what evidence of psych use there is anymore. We couldn’t pin down whether Shenhe had used cryo or pyro, and the shop is now actively selling things that we can use to mimic those same elements.
He’ll be mad whatever happens. Or… well. He’ll struggle no matter what. But he’ll want to be involved, and he’d want to know. [ … ] I don’t want him to feel like we don’t trust him to help, or we don’t trust him enough to tell him what we’re planning. I don’t know him as well as you do— [ she’s literally his god ]— but being left behind seems to hurt him. And I get that. It does hurt.
[ … ah. ]
They’re already being suspected of Lambda’s murder. People are starting to use the rankings to figure out who might’ve killed — they were in the bottom two last week, and now they’re not. Getting involved with events and doing things throughout the week isn’t enough to pull you up places like that.
Yes. And since points cannot be transferred, if there's a wide spread of killers, and it's only the winners who are able to use their points the way we want them to be used... each kill outside of the team in the lead just spreads the points out and dilutes our options.
[DO NOT BE DEAD THIS WEEK.]
...I wish I knew more about the Psych change app, but I'm not sure I want to spend the money on it. Not when we're able to make use of other Psychs ourselves. Still, even just knowing how it works would make it easier to pin down if it did go into play... although, if it turns out not to change it on our profiles, we would know if we asked people to demonstrate their primary Psychs. That might be something we have to do now that we know it's a possibility.
[she sighs deeply.]
I know that. But I want to protect him, so... I may not see things perfectly clearly where he's concerned. That's why I came to you first... so you could point out my blind spots. We need to tell him - he has my trust, even if I don't want him to have to live with the pain of what we're considering doing. I agree that leaving him out would be worse though...
[ah. hm. bad. her eyes widen at that.]
...that's right. We've been lucky to not be in the bottom two so far, so it wouldn't be suspicious if our ranking shot up, but theirs... [she bites her lip.] Should we warn them, do you think...?
It'd be so much easier if we could do that. [ ugh ] Annoyingly though, it makes sense that we can't.
[ but mom says it's my turn to see the gy.... ]
Do you have the funds for it? If things go the way they did the previous weeks, I should have around... $30 by next week. We could always get one for reconnaissance purposes at the very least, and use it if we need to. [ he's looking at his phone as they talk. ] Both of them have been purchased right now. So that's potentially two people with different psychs. Could be TBD, as they have no diversity in their team right now.
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I think we need to just make it clear directly at this point. He'll twist the meaning if we don't. Leaving him out isn't an option, but if any of us take action it's out of opportunity not purposely trying to protect him, or because we don't trust him. [ he falls quiet for a moment, before continuing: ] If you do kill, and you get caught, I'll execute you. Kaveh doesn't deserve to have to kill his own god, and you don't deserve to feel like you put one of your people through a task that would break them.
[ there's a smile from him, brief and quick: ] So try not to get caught.
... Hopefully we'll continue not being in the bottom two, otherwise it'll be obvious then too. But, we have to do what we have to do. We can warn them if you want, but I don't know if handing over particulars like who suspects them is covered in our alliance. I don't mind them being aware though, so they can act accordingly. Even if it's just planning to leave certain clues behind in a worse case scenario.
I suppose this sort of thing is never meant to be easy...
[blegh.]
I do - I have $78 right now. [help. however, since it's out of stock...] If it comes back in stock, that's not a bad option, if only to understand how it works a little better... but I do wonder who bought them.
...it would be smart for TBD to buy it. If at least one of them was able to switch to healing, they'd be safer overall.
[...she smiles faintly, though it's a little strained. she doesn't want to kill anyone, although she will if she has to or if the opportunity presents itself; she doesn't want to put shu or kaveh through that. but they're a team. they have to figure out a way through this together.]
Right. Then, we'll talk to him about this... I'll follow up with Netzach to see what his team has decided on collectively, too. [...] And... thank you. I appreciate that.
It doesn't feel right to me to try to dodge responsibility for something I do, if... I do end up doing this. But I know it won't do us any good to get caught, either. But if I do... [she bites her lip.] ...I'll be relying on you. I'm sorry if I end up having to put you through that, Shu.
I want better for both of you.
[she looks down]
...I don't know if it would be right to say who suspects them. But, I do think they should at least know to be on their guard. It's a little selfish to say I don't want anything to happen to them, but... they're my friends. And... in addition to that... I don't want Shenhe and Lambda's erasures to ultimately be for nothing. That's just too sad.
I dunno if they'd make it known if they did. They have a perfectly good excuse not to participate in checks right now, given they all have the same psych. I would't want to give that excuse to back out of checks up.
[ keeping an eye on them this week... ]
I think as long as we're all on the same page, we can navigate the particulars when they happen. I wouldn't fault you and Kaveh for going for it, if you found yourselves awake and able to take action. So I'd hope the two of you would understand if I did the same.
[ he nods. ]
I'm not naming names. But we can give them a chance to prepare themselves for a counter.
[she hasn't been buying beds when she could just clone them instead.........]
...that's true. If we all had the same Psych, I wouldn't want any of us to risk changing it either. Especially since we're able to use one other Psych that no one on our team has.
[she nods]
...I wouldn't fault you for it, either. I would be afraid for you, and I would want to help... but I wouldn't fault you for it. I know you would only be doing it because you had to.
[we need to figure out who we wanna kill so we can submit a murder proposal becks!!!]
It's a benefit, and it lets you skip out on checks. It does limit them though, so I guess it's up to them if they want to swap things around. If we do actually use our psych ability, we'd probably need to coordinate... but I figure it would be pretty easy to get away with? You'd just have to use one of the two people know about.
We're down to the part where every death is going to start risking a team. But... I'm confident I'd at least make it very difficult for someone trying to kill me.
If I had to use a Psych to defend myself on a Thursday night, I would probably use one of the ones people don't know about. And then I'd be able to demonstrate both my primary Psych and the Umbrakinesis everyone knows about.
Or... if I did end up being forced to borrow your Umbrakinesis, I'd use the team Psych to use Umbrakinesis again and make it look like I hadn't used to.
[...]
I'm confident I would, too. And if they did manage to kill me, I'm confident I'd be able to leave some clues behind as to who it was... although, if it was the team I know to be in the lead and that I trusted to save us, I... might not bother. But that would just be as a very last resort. I don't really want to be erased.
It's not like they'd know to ask you if you could use aero if they don't know you've got it. That's the strength of it. And, y'know, if Yuneyuze are willing to help you could always claim you healed them earlier in the week if you had to heal yourself on Friday morning.
[ ... ]
Mm. Maybe we should have a sign -- something to indicate if it's a high ranked team, or something to indicate otherwise. Not that we can stop people going all in on solving a case. Right now, people would rather someone who was actually guilty of a crime get caught. Which, I understand, but we might need to start playing the game differently if we want to make out of here with as many people as we can.
I don't know if it's all of Yuneyuze or just Netzach, at this point... [she sighs] ...but that's a point. Although, I think that strategy would work better for you. Since healing is my primary Psych, I'm usually able to use it after a day of rest, so even if I healed them on Wednesday... I'd have been able to heal myself again by the time Thursday night came along.
[she nods slowly, thinking about it]
I understand that too. Deliberately trying to make someone else take responsibility for a crime they didn't commit... that feels very wrong to me. But if it would ultimately do more harm to more people for the person who did it to be caught... [well.] A sign would be good. I'm not sure what, but we can probably figure it out.
Fake an alibi, so if one of us needed healing on a Thursday night we’re covered? It’s not a bad idea.
[ … ]
I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer anymore. Morally, sure. You don’t kill people. But inaction feels just as bad as action now. Could always … clone an accessory or something. Green for go, red for stop. But that’d meant you or they would need to know to switch the accessory.
I wouldn't necessarily have to clone anything, actually... if it was someone I didn't want to be caught, I could just put a pebble or something from the scene inside of my lamp. If it's someone I could trust, I could explain what I was doing and they wouldn't get rid of it. But if nothing was there, either that would mean it was someone I didn't have any reason to believe was in first place, or someone who went back on their word and got rid of it anyway, in which case... if they get caught, that's on them.
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[she frowns a little bit at that; it doesn't sit right with her, but yuneyuze needs to handle their own affairs - maybe they just need time.
oocly they might be in the middle of a thread or something.]He said he didn't know quite how he felt about the idea of the other teams that he knew might have a shot at being in the lead... but that he did trust the three of us. And that he felt like if it had to be one team that wins, people would be safe if we were the ones trying to help them. [her brows furrow, and her ears droop.] He also said that... while his team does have a shot because of what happened our very first week here, he's not sure they would make it even if they tried to, because they have "a pretty big disadvantage".
So he said... if a team did have to earn enough points to do something, it didn't have to be his. But if it wasn't his, he would do what he could to lend a hand so that team could catch up.
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His leg. [ TEEJ. ] He probably thinks he’s an easy target now, and that even if they did try to come out on top he can’t help them in the way he could before. At least, that’s what I’d assume.
… If they figure it out amongst themselves, then fine. If they’re willing to talk it out, then I’ll listen. [ contrary to popular believe he’s not actually like. fond of killing. his circumstances are pretty specific, after all. but— ]
Kaveh will need time to come around though.
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[so. there's that. she doesn't like causing harm to living beings, but - if inaction would cause more harm, potentially, then what choice does she have?]
...I got the feeling that, even if his team didn't want to get involved directly, he still would. It might be as simple as asking him to make something with his Psych early, and storing it. I... could probably hide poison in my lamp for a few days. No one has ever checked the inside of it during the trial. I'd be a little worried about using that, though, since Gerard is the other person who has it, and his team is in the lead right now...
[...]
I know he will. And I don't want to lose his faith in me, but... I can bear his disappointment as long as it means he makes it home safely. [she shakes her head slowly] ...I think that, unless the situation changes drastically, helping Froggystyle might be our best course of action. If any of them has to do it again, for the points... I was thinking I would offer to help. Even if it's just to heal them afterwards.
But I also worry about what might happen if we put all those eggs in one basket, and if someone targets them... what happens to the points they've earned then, and the lives that were lost to earn them? If the person in the next closest place doesn't have nearly enough to help everyone...?
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Remember there’s another angle now — that psych change app. If it doesn’t change what your psych is on the profiles, then suspicion can be cast out with a wider net again or whoever changed their psych will be forced to show their hand. People are already thinking we can’t just rely on what evidence of psych use there is anymore. We couldn’t pin down whether Shenhe had used cryo or pyro, and the shop is now actively selling things that we can use to mimic those same elements.
He’ll be mad whatever happens. Or… well. He’ll struggle no matter what. But he’ll want to be involved, and he’d want to know. [ … ] I don’t want him to feel like we don’t trust him to help, or we don’t trust him enough to tell him what we’re planning. I don’t know him as well as you do— [ she’s literally his god ]— but being left behind seems to hurt him. And I get that. It does hurt.
[ … ah. ]
They’re already being suspected of Lambda’s murder. People are starting to use the rankings to figure out who might’ve killed — they were in the bottom two last week, and now they’re not. Getting involved with events and doing things throughout the week isn’t enough to pull you up places like that.
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[DO NOT BE DEAD THIS WEEK.]
...I wish I knew more about the Psych change app, but I'm not sure I want to spend the money on it. Not when we're able to make use of other Psychs ourselves. Still, even just knowing how it works would make it easier to pin down if it did go into play... although, if it turns out not to change it on our profiles, we would know if we asked people to demonstrate their primary Psychs. That might be something we have to do now that we know it's a possibility.
[she sighs deeply.]
I know that. But I want to protect him, so... I may not see things perfectly clearly where he's concerned. That's why I came to you first... so you could point out my blind spots. We need to tell him - he has my trust, even if I don't want him to have to live with the pain of what we're considering doing. I agree that leaving him out would be worse though...
[ah. hm. bad. her eyes widen at that.]
...that's right. We've been lucky to not be in the bottom two so far, so it wouldn't be suspicious if our ranking shot up, but theirs... [she bites her lip.] Should we warn them, do you think...?
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[ but mom says it's my turn to see the gy.... ]
Do you have the funds for it? If things go the way they did the previous weeks, I should have around... $30 by next week. We could always get one for reconnaissance purposes at the very least, and use it if we need to. [ he's looking at his phone as they talk. ] Both of them have been purchased right now. So that's potentially two people with different psychs. Could be TBD, as they have no diversity in their team right now.
[ ... ]
I think we need to just make it clear directly at this point. He'll twist the meaning if we don't. Leaving him out isn't an option, but if any of us take action it's out of opportunity not purposely trying to protect him, or because we don't trust him. [ he falls quiet for a moment, before continuing: ] If you do kill, and you get caught, I'll execute you. Kaveh doesn't deserve to have to kill his own god, and you don't deserve to feel like you put one of your people through a task that would break them.
[ there's a smile from him, brief and quick: ] So try not to get caught.
... Hopefully we'll continue not being in the bottom two, otherwise it'll be obvious then too. But, we have to do what we have to do. We can warn them if you want, but I don't know if handing over particulars like who suspects them is covered in our alliance. I don't mind them being aware though, so they can act accordingly. Even if it's just planning to leave certain clues behind in a worse case scenario.
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[blegh.]
I do - I have $78 right now. [help. however, since it's out of stock...] If it comes back in stock, that's not a bad option, if only to understand how it works a little better... but I do wonder who bought them.
...it would be smart for TBD to buy it. If at least one of them was able to switch to healing, they'd be safer overall.
[...she smiles faintly, though it's a little strained. she doesn't want to kill anyone, although she will if she has to or if the opportunity presents itself; she doesn't want to put shu or kaveh through that. but they're a team. they have to figure out a way through this together.]
Right. Then, we'll talk to him about this... I'll follow up with Netzach to see what his team has decided on collectively, too. [...] And... thank you. I appreciate that.
It doesn't feel right to me to try to dodge responsibility for something I do, if... I do end up doing this. But I know it won't do us any good to get caught, either. But if I do... [she bites her lip.] ...I'll be relying on you. I'm sorry if I end up having to put you through that, Shu.
I want better for both of you.
[she looks down]
...I don't know if it would be right to say who suspects them. But, I do think they should at least know to be on their guard. It's a little selfish to say I don't want anything to happen to them, but... they're my friends. And... in addition to that... I don't want Shenhe and Lambda's erasures to ultimately be for nothing. That's just too sad.
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I dunno if they'd make it known if they did. They have a perfectly good excuse not to participate in checks right now, given they all have the same psych. I would't want to give that excuse to back out of checks up.
[ keeping an eye on them this week... ]
I think as long as we're all on the same page, we can navigate the particulars when they happen. I wouldn't fault you and Kaveh for going for it, if you found yourselves awake and able to take action. So I'd hope the two of you would understand if I did the same.
[ he nods. ]
I'm not naming names. But we can give them a chance to prepare themselves for a counter.
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...that's true. If we all had the same Psych, I wouldn't want any of us to risk changing it either. Especially since we're able to use one other Psych that no one on our team has.
[she nods]
...I wouldn't fault you for it, either. I would be afraid for you, and I would want to help... but I wouldn't fault you for it. I know you would only be doing it because you had to.
[we need to figure out who we wanna kill so we can submit a murder proposal becks!!!]
Yes. I think that would be for the best.
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It's a benefit, and it lets you skip out on checks. It does limit them though, so I guess it's up to them if they want to swap things around. If we do actually use our psych ability, we'd probably need to coordinate... but I figure it would be pretty easy to get away with? You'd just have to use one of the two people know about.
We're down to the part where every death is going to start risking a team. But... I'm confident I'd at least make it very difficult for someone trying to kill me.
[ aaaaaaaaaa ]
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If I had to use a Psych to defend myself on a Thursday night, I would probably use one of the ones people don't know about. And then I'd be able to demonstrate both my primary Psych and the Umbrakinesis everyone knows about.
Or... if I did end up being forced to borrow your Umbrakinesis, I'd use the team Psych to use Umbrakinesis again and make it look like I hadn't used to.
[...]
I'm confident I would, too. And if they did manage to kill me, I'm confident I'd be able to leave some clues behind as to who it was... although, if it was the team I know to be in the lead and that I trusted to save us, I... might not bother. But that would just be as a very last resort. I don't really want to be erased.
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[ ... ]
Mm. Maybe we should have a sign -- something to indicate if it's a high ranked team, or something to indicate otherwise. Not that we can stop people going all in on solving a case. Right now, people would rather someone who was actually guilty of a crime get caught. Which, I understand, but we might need to start playing the game differently if we want to make out of here with as many people as we can.
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[she nods slowly, thinking about it]
I understand that too. Deliberately trying to make someone else take responsibility for a crime they didn't commit... that feels very wrong to me. But if it would ultimately do more harm to more people for the person who did it to be caught... [well.] A sign would be good. I'm not sure what, but we can probably figure it out.
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[ … ]
I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer anymore. Morally, sure. You don’t kill people. But inaction feels just as bad as action now. Could always … clone an accessory or something. Green for go, red for stop. But that’d meant you or they would need to know to switch the accessory.
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I wouldn't necessarily have to clone anything, actually... if it was someone I didn't want to be caught, I could just put a pebble or something from the scene inside of my lamp. If it's someone I could trust, I could explain what I was doing and they wouldn't get rid of it. But if nothing was there, either that would mean it was someone I didn't have any reason to believe was in first place, or someone who went back on their word and got rid of it anyway, in which case... if they get caught, that's on them.
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Yes. If it's someone I can trust, they'll give me time to put one in there. If they kill me before I can... that's also on them.
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I'll cut a cross on my stomach. Might throw people off a bit, but it'll stand out and it can't be moved or messed with.
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Okay. So if the cross is there, deflect, and if it's not... do everything we can to find the culprit?
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Yeah, a cross or... I dunno. Just some marking somewhere you wouldn't expect. If it's there, deflect. Otherwise, start hunting.
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Understood.
...we should have Kaveh come up with something too.
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