Yes, I was thinking of doing something similar. I think developing a better understanding of worlds without our same degree of elemental energy will be beneficial to Teyvat anyway; we can adapt the theories we uncover and open up new lines of research that might help non-Vision Bearers.
[Even people without Visions can still make use of Teyvat's rich elemental energy, of course, and they can always buy oils and such, but still. He's a scholar, and she's the God of Wisdom--it doesn't surprise him that they're on the same page about looking into this. With a pang, he thinks of Tighnari (and maybe, possibly, Alhaitham)--but he refuses to consider the idea of Nahida, at least, not making it back to them, so he pushes the thought away.
He frowns a little, then, thoughtful.]
It's difficult to say. Vash claims that he shouldn't be a threat any longer, but Wolfwood seems convinced otherwise. I can speak to Vash, though I don't know how much he'll tell me if he thinks the problem is mostly solved. I've mostly discussed this with Wolfwood, and he's...
[Kaveh hesitates, trying to figure out how to phrase what he wants to say.]
...Life in their world is unkind. Wolfwood is more like Alhaitham than like me, to be honest. [Which is why Kaveh likes him so much, really. He's grounded realism to an almost pessimistic degree, sometimes--but Kaveh needs that, especially when he starts getting too caught up in his ideals.] He believes in solving things himself, and caring almost exclusively for his own. He doesn't believe that anything we come up with will be of any use. ...I think, in part, it's because he's unused to people trying to help without personal gain.
[Wolfwood could very well be right, of course. Kaveh made sure to acknowledge that he couldn't make any promises, especially considering, as he and Nahida have just discussed, how little they know about any worlds that operate differently from their own. Any gods or godlike beings could operate on wildly different rules, and there's a higher chance than not that their ideas alone will have little impact. But Kaveh can't bear the thought of them returning home to hardship and strife, only to die again in a few short months, or years. Even if it's meaningless in the end, there's no way he could let them walk away empty-handed if there's even the slightest possibility that he could do something to keep them safe a little longer.
Her compliment startles him a little, since it's so unexpected--and it's a little embarrassing, so there's a touch of awkwardness to his smile, but otherwise, it's genuine.]
Well, that's the purpose of society, after all. And that's what Kshahrewar exists to do. [He huffs a little.] The Akademiya as a whole, really. Alhaitham never agreed with me about that while we were students.
Mhm. The more we know, the more we can do. Even a piece of knowledge that seems random or trivial at best may very well end up becoming crucial to know someday, so just because we don't immediately see the application of it because we're accustomed to other options doesn't mean we shouldn't learn it.
[this pair of nerds can live in the library next week, that's fine... "what about the new setting" library... the library can't hurt them.........
anyway, nahida's brow furrows a little and her ears droop.]
Mm... I think that talking to Vash would be for the best. I don't know how much I should say... I saw some things in one of his memories. But... that's his story to tell, rather than mine. [...] I can understand Wolfwood being that way, especially after the things I've seen about their world. And I can understand why he might have trouble accepting outside help. If he's had to do things by his own hands all along...
[she sighs.]
But it's still... it's better to try. Maybe something we come up with or send them back with won't work exactly the way we intend for it to, but they'll be able to adapt it to their own world and find a better way to use it. Or maybe it will serve as the building blocks for their own solutions. Even if he doesn't think that what we come up with will be useful, that he's willing to let us give it a try at all instead of refusing to allow us to try it says something, I think.
...you're a good friend to him, Kaveh. To all three of them.
[as for alhaitham - ]
There's a lot that Alhaitham knows, but... also a lot that he fails to understand. I'll always be grateful to him for what he did to help me, but I think there's a lot for him to learn about the world, still, and... not just out of books.
[To the first, Kaveh just nods along as she speaks, humming in agreement. They're in agreement with this, of course; he'd figured they would be, since the drawbacks are negligible and the benefits, if all goes well, will far outweigh the costs. And, you know. They don't have a proper research facility here, so this is the best they can do. Failing to achieve any worthwhile results will still teach them something.
As for the rest, his gaze softens.]
Okay. I'll try to find a good moment to bring it up. [Which will not be during memshare week because that's too much.] With any luck, this will only have to be something of a failsafe anyway.
[I, pixi, am like 99.9% sure that it will not be and that shit is horrible in trigun but Kaveh does not have the power of knowing it's a fucked up scifi series. Alas.
As for Alhaitham, he just huffs.]
See, that's what I've always tried to tell him too! He's just so stubborn. He's barely changed at all since we were at the Akademiya.
We were both in the House of Daena. I'd gone in to study and I thought he was being bullied by his classmates, so I went to talk to him. It turns out he just thought they weren't worth his time.
[He shifts, glancing away. For all his huffing and complaining, he can't quite pretend that those early days were horrible. He wishes he could, truthfully. It would make their relationship so much simpler now.]
I guess you could put it like that. We were friends once.
It's alright. I don't mind. It's just... hard to explain. [He's quiet for a moment.] I guess the crux of it is--being "worth his time" is purely a matter of capability and intellect. It has nothing to do with... actually connecting. It took me longer to realize that than it should have.
Well, I can't speak for all people, of course. But yes, once you move past politeness and obligation, and even past scholarly debates--interactions tend to involve building bonds with others. They're an essential part of life.
Alhaitham doesn't agree, though. He thinks things like small talk and niceties are a waste of time, because he doesn't value human connection.
I mean, he tells me to move out all the time. The only reason he hasn't kicked me out yet is because the house is technically 50% mine.
[Even though he relinquished ownership of it, so it really isn't... but this is what he fully believes. What he has to believe, because he's too afraid of interpreting kindness into Alhaitham's actions where there surely isn't any.]
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Yes, I was thinking of doing something similar. I think developing a better understanding of worlds without our same degree of elemental energy will be beneficial to Teyvat anyway; we can adapt the theories we uncover and open up new lines of research that might help non-Vision Bearers.
[Even people without Visions can still make use of Teyvat's rich elemental energy, of course, and they can always buy oils and such, but still. He's a scholar, and she's the God of Wisdom--it doesn't surprise him that they're on the same page about looking into this. With a pang, he thinks of Tighnari (and maybe, possibly, Alhaitham)--but he refuses to consider the idea of Nahida, at least, not making it back to them, so he pushes the thought away.
He frowns a little, then, thoughtful.]
It's difficult to say. Vash claims that he shouldn't be a threat any longer, but Wolfwood seems convinced otherwise. I can speak to Vash, though I don't know how much he'll tell me if he thinks the problem is mostly solved. I've mostly discussed this with Wolfwood, and he's...
[Kaveh hesitates, trying to figure out how to phrase what he wants to say.]
...Life in their world is unkind. Wolfwood is more like Alhaitham than like me, to be honest. [Which is why Kaveh likes him so much, really. He's grounded realism to an almost pessimistic degree, sometimes--but Kaveh needs that, especially when he starts getting too caught up in his ideals.] He believes in solving things himself, and caring almost exclusively for his own. He doesn't believe that anything we come up with will be of any use. ...I think, in part, it's because he's unused to people trying to help without personal gain.
[Wolfwood could very well be right, of course. Kaveh made sure to acknowledge that he couldn't make any promises, especially considering, as he and Nahida have just discussed, how little they know about any worlds that operate differently from their own. Any gods or godlike beings could operate on wildly different rules, and there's a higher chance than not that their ideas alone will have little impact. But Kaveh can't bear the thought of them returning home to hardship and strife, only to die again in a few short months, or years. Even if it's meaningless in the end, there's no way he could let them walk away empty-handed if there's even the slightest possibility that he could do something to keep them safe a little longer.
Her compliment startles him a little, since it's so unexpected--and it's a little embarrassing, so there's a touch of awkwardness to his smile, but otherwise, it's genuine.]
Well, that's the purpose of society, after all. And that's what Kshahrewar exists to do. [He huffs a little.] The Akademiya as a whole, really. Alhaitham never agreed with me about that while we were students.
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[this pair of nerds can live in the library next week, that's fine... "what about the new setting" library... the library can't hurt them.........
anyway, nahida's brow furrows a little and her ears droop.]
Mm... I think that talking to Vash would be for the best. I don't know how much I should say... I saw some things in one of his memories. But... that's his story to tell, rather than mine. [...] I can understand Wolfwood being that way, especially after the things I've seen about their world. And I can understand why he might have trouble accepting outside help. If he's had to do things by his own hands all along...
[she sighs.]
But it's still... it's better to try. Maybe something we come up with or send them back with won't work exactly the way we intend for it to, but they'll be able to adapt it to their own world and find a better way to use it. Or maybe it will serve as the building blocks for their own solutions. Even if he doesn't think that what we come up with will be useful, that he's willing to let us give it a try at all instead of refusing to allow us to try it says something, I think.
...you're a good friend to him, Kaveh. To all three of them.
[as for alhaitham - ]
There's a lot that Alhaitham knows, but... also a lot that he fails to understand. I'll always be grateful to him for what he did to help me, but I think there's a lot for him to learn about the world, still, and... not just out of books.
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As for the rest, his gaze softens.]
Okay. I'll try to find a good moment to bring it up. [Which will not be during memshare week because that's too much.] With any luck, this will only have to be something of a failsafe anyway.
[I, pixi, am like 99.9% sure that it will not be and that shit is horrible in trigun but Kaveh does not have the power of knowing it's a fucked up scifi series. Alas.
As for Alhaitham, he just huffs.]
See, that's what I've always tried to tell him too! He's just so stubborn. He's barely changed at all since we were at the Akademiya.
[Says Kaveh, who does not know he is married.]
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[lol. lmao. trigun.
and then there's the subject of alhaitham... nahida chuckles a little under her breath.]
You must hav ea lot of stories about him from the days when you two were students.
[the reverse is probably also true - alhaitham likely also has many, many stories about kaveh from that same period of time.]
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[HUFF HUFF]
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[help.]
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[nahida, wondering how they became friends in the first place if his personalityw as always that bad]
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I guess you could put it like that. We were friends once.
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[she puts a hand on his arm as he glances away.]
How would you put it? [a beat.] You don't have to answer if you don't want to. I'm curious, but that doesn't mean you have to indulge my curiosity.
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that... seems kind of lonely, actually.]
But... you wanted to connect with him?
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Anyway]
Of course, at first. Isn't that why people normally talk to others?
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I know it's why I do, but... I'm aware that not everyone approaches things the same way as me.
[she is lonely and desperate for connections so, like, yeah.]
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Well, I can't speak for all people, of course. But yes, once you move past politeness and obligation, and even past scholarly debates--interactions tend to involve building bonds with others. They're an essential part of life.
Alhaitham doesn't agree, though. He thinks things like small talk and niceties are a waste of time, because he doesn't value human connection.
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[hmm. well, that's not entirely unexpected - alhaitham is</> the type not to make small talk...]
Umm, Kaveh, could I ask a question?
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she is pretty sure if alhaitham DIDN'T want kaveh there he would just kick him out. he seems direct like that.]
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What? He doesn't.
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[Even though he relinquished ownership of it, so it really isn't... but this is what he fully believes. What he has to believe, because he's too afraid of interpreting kindness into Alhaitham's actions where there surely isn't any.]
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